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". Dr. Edwards-Leeper advocated for more careful, cautious, and drawn out psychological assessments of children before deciding whether they were good candidates for puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones. "

However, Dr. Edwards-Leeper and all those profiled in the NYT podcast advocating for them (De Vries, Cohen-Kettenis, Leibowitz) cannot tell you what these assessments imply regardlng likely outcomes. Do kids they assess as appropriate for intervention do well? They don't know. Do they do better than they would have without losing function in their previously healthy bodies? They don't know. They just know some patients were helped. They believe.

This is not medicine. Framing the controversy as between those following WPATH (with several key people who wrote the adolescent recommendations being the ones saying to follow it, and others helping to write the Endocrine Society recommendations) and those being more reckless does not describe gender medicine at all. It describes a bunch of true believers who either won't keep track of or won't report (de Vries et al on hormones...where is that study, how about the long term studies of the Dutch kids, which didn't look great?), outcomes.

But let's let them do what they always did because they think it works.

They haven't shown it....too new...but you should trust them...they've been doing it forever.

Which is it?

Cass spelled it out--the assessments can't tell you anything about likely outcomes...Olson-Kennedy said, ok, don't do them...but that's the wrong answer, too.

There are literally tens of thousands of young people in the Us who were put on these interventions as minors. How are they doing now?? The young people with this distress deserve these answers, not confidence in anecdotes from true believer MD's.

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They're going to destroy all of the records they can, during this time. The lawsuits are coming.

I'm so relieved that this clinic is shutting down, especially because or is the beginning of exposing what a fraud this woman is and how much damage she has caused.

She will blame everything on Trump and those evil bigots, but really she's covering for being exposed.

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